User talk:Econrad
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Liberia
[edit]I could tell that someone was trying to do good work, not vandalism, and tried to salvage it, but your revert was really the right thing to do, I guess, and what I should have done. Thanks for understanding that I was, like you, only trying to make the article, and Wikipedia, better. Rlquall 02:43, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Boston Bees
[edit]I have also seen some fairly-generally-authoritative sources (whether any qualify as MLB "official" I don't know) which state that for some period of time in the early 20th century the National League Boston team was officially (at least more or less) the "Bees". Somehow I never fully bought into this, thinking that more likely they were the "B's" much as the Philadelphia/Kansas City/Oakland Athletics were/are the "A's". Am I right about this to the best of your knowledge? Rlquall 02:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- I spent some time reading newspapers of the times, and came to the conclusion that names like "beaneaters" and "Bees" were used very informally by sportswriters of that time (like "Dirt Dogs" is now), and any given name could be used informally for either the National League and American League Boston teams. I saw "Beaneaters" (a nickname for Bostonians, at the time) used for both.
- I saw no evidence that these names were used formally; all "official" info I saw (from that timeframe) used the terms "Nationals" or "Americans" to distinguish betweeen the 2 Boston teams. Even baseball cards from that time, and original negatives (with player/team etched in) from that time use Nationals or Americans.
- Baseball writers appear to have a long tradition of repeating what other baseball writers have written. There's not a lot research based on original sources; they usually repeat tidbits picked up from other sportswriters. So "Beaneaters," though incorrect, gets passed through the generations. I'm guessing Bees is the same.
- Econrad 03:03, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Herman Haupt
[edit]Thanks for the excellent article on Herman Haupt. My initial interest came via his engineering work on the Hoosac Tunnel, and found your contributions on Haupt very informative. Econrad 01:10, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
- My pleasure. You should read those 2 Gingrich books I cite. Even if you don't like his politics, they are very thought-provoking and about the only modern references to Haupt, even if fictional. Hal Jespersen 01:15, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
== translation request ==
[edit]Concerning your translation request for de:Mont Cenis Tunnel, some of the information you seek can already be found at Frejus Tunnel. Lectonar 14:10, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
- I've translated it; it could use some categorizing, though Lectonar 14:29, 25 July 2005 (UTC)
Barnstar
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THANK YOU
[edit]Thanks for fixing the image formatting on the Long Island, Maine article. I still have more to learn when it comes to the wikipedia codes. EZZIE 22:13, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
Dealing with editors with NPOV problems
[edit]Its can be very frustrating working with editors who haven't learned about our NPOV policy or choose to ignore it, especially when they're blanking any discussion about the issue. The best thing you can do is have some patience, and don't let their editing get to you. Cardiff (talk · contribs) appears to have been noticed by a variety of different editors who have been warning him about blanking talk pages and using NPOV. Try giving him a few more tips on NPOV and if he's still completely avoiding the issue, blanking things and continuing to edit in a disruptive manner, I'm sure an admin will be happy to try blocking him for a short period to give him the hint. If a couple of short blocks don't work, the only option from there is really to start a user conduct RfC. Hope that helps -- let me know if there's anything more I can do. .:.Jareth.:. babelfish 14:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Re: Adam Ant
[edit]Hello, I have been trying to separate the Adam Ant and Adam & the Ants articles. They used to have lots of overlapping and inconsistent information.
I noticed you added a lot of discography information back to both articles. I'd like to keep the Adam & the Ants discography on that page. Also, after your latest edits, the singles in Adam & the Ants are now listed twice in the same article: under the 'Singles' table, and again with your addition. I think the singles should be listed once, maybe in an expanded table. What do you think? Thanks!Econrad 13:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
Hi, yes I agree that's a good idea. I got disheartened when I saw that my updates had been cut and moved. Also some of it is total rubbish- Adam never got his name from AdamAnt lives!
I'm a long time Ant fan and a bit of an Ant experts- the discography i did off the top of my head!
Anyway I would like to contribute to this but i find it galling that anyone can come along and make stupid and / or wrong edits! I also am having a hard time working out exactly how wiki works, its not very user friendly!!
regards Steve (stevehorwood@yahoo.co.uk owner of http://www.musicforafutureage.com and http://www.musicforafutureage.blogspot.com)
Images
[edit]Why did you flag those images? Please respond to my talk page. Almost Famous 01:38, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
TOWN OF LONG ISLAND.com
[edit]Is a publicly funded site. Therefor' all images are public domain images. The only images that probably are "questionable" were the car ferry, the freighter, and the summer home. Almost Famous 03:18, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- The postcards are also public domain, no one specifically owns those pictures, although they sell them EVERYWHERE. Almost Famous 03:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- NOTE: Permission has been acquired for several of the images, however I've been denied permission for some of the images you've flagged. I've deleted the violation tag off the images that have been given permission. As well, I've marked the images that need to be deleted promptly. The townoflongisland.com website has granted all their images to be public domain, however, the LI General Store picture and the Maquoit II Freighter needs to be deleted, as does the summer home on LI. All old photographs, are without question in public domain, and the LI Graphic is now public domain. I will also change the license on them to read as such. Almost Famous 18:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
- I saw you deleted them from the articles. Thanks for the help. Almost Famous 06:42, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
Boardwalk, Peaks Island, ME
[edit]Cheers for sorting out the license Image:Peaks Island, Maine, Boardwalk, postcard.jpg. I was just going to ask you about it. Dr Zak 03:41, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
- And here comes another that needs tagging and annotating: Image:Great_diamond_island_maine_postcard1.jpg. Cheers! Dr Zak 21:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
Bakke Mountain
[edit]I wanted to thank you for your edits on Bakke Mountain. I went ahead and removed the NPOV tag, as the article is decidedly more neutral now. -- Irixman (t) (m) 19:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC) now thanking you without typing in the middle of a paragraph! ;-))
- Thanks!Econrad 03:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Boston ballclubs
[edit]Are you compiling all names for the teams that appeared in newspaper baseball talk? Beaneaters was used in the sense People from Boston, same as Hubbites or Hubites, clumsy coinage for People from "the Hub", itself a nickname for Boston. I have read baseball notes to the effect "Tuesday the Giants are here for three games and then we play the Hubbites", but this particular example is made up now. --P64 16:13, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
Boston Reds
[edit]Are you working on making a Boston Reds category? What will it include beside player biographies and the pages(s) for club(s)?
Does this await approval? There is a red category tag at Boston Reds. --P64 17:00, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Richard Gridley
[edit]I just added some information to Gridley. I have tons of material and if you are interested we should chat at some point. Email me at geocomeau@gmail.com
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